Ok..don't talk. Cross your arms. Take what we got. Stay mad at everyone. We can try to "fix" whatever is broke in 6 years in Section 6. Its one or the other, and at least on APC the consensus is "don't talk..." If the trust is that broken, maybe just staying away for 6 years is right. Maybe we will leave money on the table, or maybe we will preserve hard won benefits...I dunno.

I never did HILO. I only fly to the states on the company dime every 9 months now. I don't retire under this contract. I will be just fine coasting along with status quo for some time. The guys who MIGHT benefit just a bit, however, from further discussions are the thousand or so pilots who might retire in the next few years with an A plan bump, and the hundreds of new hires who have 10 or more years to reap the rewards of a higher B plan working for them. I would think our senior pilots will want to open the discussion, and the 38 year old who is looking at a benefit eroded by 27 years of inflation would be equally interested.

And HILO was a pet peeve of your former CP. ALPA didn't ask to give it away, but negotiations are a two way street. Apparently that issue was an "emotional" issue for some of the other side of the table...

Again..not meaning to poke a bear here. A larger B plan won't help me that much over 10-12 more years. An A plan bump would be nice, but I've got one more bite at that apple on the next contract. When I say I can ride it out its not being snarky, and if the majority wants to sit on their hands until then I'll proudly support that course of action. I just think walking away and saying "don't even discuss it..." is the same kind of approach that left retirement lacking on this last round.