It's really amazing how bad things are with other airlines getting higher pay. Growth in our bases as we continue to shrink. The facts all point to a shut down.

Union won't negotiate with the company (and with the mediator) until next year, talks from the sound of it, they have no interest in a deal and are stalling.

FOs are leaving faster than they're hiring and based on the lack of a vacancy notice, there's no new hires.

Planes are leaving with nothing coming.

FO coverage over integration is once again hugely negative, last time this happened indications were, we just need to weather through the last summer schedules and it would all be fine. Even with reduced flying we can't staff it.

Airplanes are still being removed with no plans to replace.

Every week something good happens to another company and every week of silence here morale slips, as if that were possible.

I'm sure the first downgrade will signal all to flee. You really have to wonder how ignorant management is going to be about all this. Keep saying, 'we aren't at that point yet' of trying to save this. I hate to see what level of screwed we need to be in for them to agree that it's bad here.

Probably stalling for time, Feb 2017 from the sound on the line with no news will not be well for us. But hey, hold tight!