Originally Posted by AltoCumulus

Many guys that have been here a little while...say, middle of the Captain list and up, don't see how our Scope...or really lack of Scope effects them. I was told by a union rep while voicing my concerns over Scope 1. E-mails from guys upset about RJ's going to Skywest were a fraction of the emails from guys upset that VSA changed under 117. 2. He personally didn't care about SCOPE because he came to AS to fly 737's not RJs.

When most people talk about Scope they are talking about nibbling away at the bottom flying. This is because most scope issues seen are in the context of United or AA or Delta who all have "seat number" protection.

Because Alaska is in the unique (if not unique, then definitely rare amongst majors)position of not having any seat number language (all flying over XX seats go to mainline), we need to also be concerned about getting outsourced on the top also. Is it really so hard to envision Alaska management ordering 20 787's and then contracting ANA or Omni to fly them?

Amazon has "airplanes", it's in the media as Amazon having airplanes, but yet there is no such thing as an "Amazon pilot". It could be the same here.

Amongst the junior pilots, I think the threat of the RJ's is clear. However, we have to change the language that we use when talking about it to make vivid, the threat that we face from above and below.

If right now AS decided to get wide-bodies, or if we decided to play hardball on a contract, I don't think this management would hesitate to outsource the flying.

Just-saying.

Originally Posted by Packrat

One thing AS management historically and categorically REFUSES to negotiate is scope. Unless AS pilots are willing to strike over scope, it's doubtful anything will change.