Guys, it's about time. All I can say is that, yes while our pay may have been temporarily higher than others, our work rules have always lagged behind UAL and DAL. APA has long been broken beyond repair and management long ago figured out how to take advantage of that - starting with the B scale sellout in the '80s.

To the United pilot who commented above (Probe) - you couldn't be more mistaken. Had AA pilots been ALPA, we wouldn't have taken it in the shorts all these years, and especially this last JCBA where we are still working under BK work rules while the company is taking in billions.

Here's how bad AA plays APA: we asked for significant work rule improvements for our JCBA and were told they couldn't afford it. Then, Kirby leaves AA for UA and management slips him a cool $13 million just to pacify him. That $13 million could have gone towards our non existent hotel language or our non existent min calendar day.

Bottom line is that APA gets played like a fiddle every contract cycle. We have NEVER had a true industry leading contract.

It's time for ALPA. Our joining would not only greatly strengthen ALPA, but dues would probably also come down, and there would be one more legacy pilot group joined in membership off of which to pattern bargain from.

The world's largest airline pilot group should not be represented by a broken, ineffective in house boys club. We need a global and powerful union.

Bring it on.