Originally Posted by 7576FO

OK, It is a bad contract. We work a lot more. I've been at AA since early 99.
In MIA since 01.

Our last contract was 1997. There was no 2000 contract since we voted NO to that in Aug 2001. (that was the only time I wanted to vote yes, but my friends persuaded me to wait for DAL+3)
Then 2003 TA with the threat "Hey we're on the courthouse steps to declare if you don't sign this" crafted by APA and AA.
Then Full court Kick the Can, we never got an 08.,09,10 OR any contract until 2012.
Then the 2012 exit BK MTA Merger transition agreement.

I'm not a company guy. I'm engaged. I always have been. I dialed over 160 pilots to discuss NO on LBFO1 and NO on LBFO2.

LBFO 2 passed in a 74% YES

I support an ALPA transition.

The Green Book has always been very difficult to read. We used to publish a kitbag contract. I would carry that with me and actually read it thru on the longer legs.


I am not defending this contract, but it is better than our 2003 contract which we were working on until 2012.

So there's your history lesson. APA has always been weak. APA has always had the worst contracts of all the majors.


APA is working on getting a mid contract adjustment. USAir pilots tells us not a chance.

I know form working at AA that the only time we get something fixed is when we INUNDATE CP's and VP's VM and email.

If we don't complain enmass they think everything is OK.


So Historically we haven't had many contracts since 1997.