No personnal battle at all Micro, but when somone flames a guy by name who spent the better part of 5 years training, preparing, gathering data, listening to the vocal minority cast stones from the sideline, take max heat from the company, lands a better (than before) contract in a measured, professional way and gets "don't let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out", I think it's a cheap classless low rent shot. As for your question about my involvement: currently Pilot to Pilot, previously Comm Chair (1 year), Previously Block Rep (2yrs). As to the hard sell on the CBA, the voting #'s don't bear that out. They performed the statutory road shows and infomercials and said "read it, We think you will like it". Judging from the membership vote (turnout as well as passing majority) I think they were right. As to the recent LOA, you and I are in agreement. I voted no. I agree the MEC and NC did a poor job of pulsing the CF on their desires and failed in the fundamental responsibility of keeping us up to date. I do not, however, think that failure wipes out the NC's entire body of work over the past 6 years. Finally, well, Gee, I am saying get involved (more than P2P). Because it takes more involvment than that to effect real change. And it sure beats just throwing ones hands up and saying I tried, its hopeless. For sure that will result in no improvement.