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Old 12-17-2016 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by awax
So that's new flying that anyone systemwide can bid, except for widebody pilots? You and I have different ideas of systemwide.
Apparently, we actually have a different understanding of "anyone". If I say anyone systemwide can bid but widebody guys are probably at a disadvantage, you say "ah ha!, then not anyone can bid!" Anyone can bid all right.

Originally Posted by awax
]See; Straw Man Argument, See also: False Equivalency....how can any observation you have about commuting FA's have any relevance to the UAL ALPA CBA? .
That example is about as relevant as currently exists. They have the exact same pool of flying companywide that we do and similar seniority rules. Biggest difference I suppose is their ability to work different equipment, big whoop. You also essentially say the DAL pilot group is not equivalent. I'm 100% confident that the only equivalency you'd say is relevant is a one involving our pilot group alone. How do we get it? Well gee, you've already said repeatedly you don't want us to ever go there in any form, even a test. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Originally Posted by awax
If it's a success at DAL, that doesn't mean it would be at UAL.
100% true. And if it fails, that doesn't mean we couldn't find a way to be successful. In this business, it literally pays to be ahead of the competition.

Originally Posted by awax
New Flying is addressed in our CBA, ALL new flying. If new flying is announced by the company, we have binding language to follow to staff that flying.
Also true. However, we both know that contract language is not written in stone for all eternity. That's where things like LOAs and negotiations come into play. You keep throwing down seniority and the UPA as if they aren't constantly changing. We as a group own the UPA, and it has to be changed on a regular basis as our industry evolves. If something is put to a vote and approved by the membership, I trust you will honor it just like I would.

I've got another shoe waiting to drop, but I'd rather start that discussion in a new thread sometime next year.
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