all I can say is I was a march of 07 new hire, and I now sit only 400 numbers out of current upgrade! So with attrition and the growth to bring the pilot group up to 2300 by november of 2008. I am only 300 numbers away from upgrade based on november of 2008. So yeah if the attrition remains at 20 per month 300 numbers divided by 20 to 30 per month equals about 12 months from now. So march of 2007 hire beeing eligible for upgrade at the end of 2008 isnt too bad! I really wish I would have went to comair!