Originally Posted by
Ifly4u2c
did you even bother reading a few words of 14 CFR FAR 135.4 (a) 1.
Then I can go by telling you, what a POI says is pretty accurate, because he knows our OP specs, what type of operations my company does, and FAA, well... FAA will tell you a rule that applies in general.
Second, let me ask you... If the captain you fly with likes to hand fly all legs, no autopilot, up to 29000ft and above 41000ft up to 45000ft, does he need a SIC???? Now do you know, or anyone does know, when you have autopilot on or off???
Now a couple of stupid suppositions, lets say you need 2 crewmember, and the SIC falls a sleep all flight, can he log the SIC time??? And what happens if the PIC, does not feel like flying and do ******, can the guy on the right seat log PIC??? Please find me somewhere in the FAA that can answer those questions.
I am not trying to pick up a fight, I am just trying to explain that there is a lot of things in FAA that you can't be 100% sure about. And how to log time is one of them... If you think seating as SIC in a phenom 100/300 you should not log time, let me tell you, CFIing should not be a way to get hours either.
If you ever flew a E55P, you would realize, that airplane with or even without passengers to take care off, in busy airspace such Northeast, or South Florida or even west coast, is too much, even for a well experienced single pilot. All you need is a reroute half way down a STAR... So what i can resume all this post to is, Phenom are legal to be flown single pilot, but I would never put my family in one flown by one crew member. AND the SIC deserves the time logged on it, as far as he is not sleeping...
You're confusing a lot of subjects here.
1. 135.4 refers to
eligible on demand. This is different than on demand. It allows for 80% runway Ops Specs and doing approaches to airports without weather reporting. Even if you have the Ops Specs for eligible on demand, most of your flights will not be used under eligible on demand, because the requirements are kind of a pain in the rear and you only operate under those rules if you absolutely have to. You are right, though. Any flight that is operated under eligible on demand rules will require two pilots. These can be logged by a legitimate SIC.
2. In general, IFR passenger operations require two pilots under Part 135. You can get an Ops Spec which allows single pilot operations on single pilot aircraft, using the autopilot in lieu of the required SIC. It is stupid, but the FAA has ruled (in the letter of interpretation that was posted earlier), that if you have the "autopilot in lieu of SIC" Ops Spec, an SIC is not required unless the autopilot is not used. Therefore, an SIC cannot log any time when the autopilot is working and being used. The only exception is what you posted above, you are flying an "eligible on demand" leg.
Net Jets pilots can log it, because they have a restriction on their certificate "Second in Command Required). For the record, the Chief Counsel's opinion is the only one that matters, not the local POI.
Now a couple of stupid suppositions, lets say you need 2 crewmember, and the SIC falls a sleep all flight, can he log the SIC time??? And what happens if the PIC, does not feel like flying and do ******, can the guy on the right seat log PIC??? Please find me somewhere in the FAA that can answer those questions.
1. If the SIC is required, he can log the flight time when he is acting as a crewmember, as such. 2. If the SIC has a PIC rating and is the sole manipulator of the flight controls, he can log the flight time as PIC. This is in 61.55.