[QUOTE=Regularguy;2286411]
Originally Posted by
Dave Fitzgerald
Short term memory can be problems. You may have forgotten, the 787 is a direct replacement for the 767. Same seating capacity, but more range.
Not really
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787_Dreamliner
787-8 seating 242 max 359 range 7,355
787-9 seating 290 max 401 range 7,635
787-10 seating 298 max 440range 6,430
Cabin width 18'
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_767
767-400 seating 296 max 375 range 5,625
Cabin width 15.5'
The -200 and -300 not even worthwhile comparing
Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement.
UAL was the kickoff customer for the 767 in 1981 and it was meant to be a coast to coast jet. Dick Ferris used to advertise the airplane would change how people flew.
Let's try again. Wikipedia is fine but doesn't necessarily apply. If we are to talk about UAL planes, lets do that.
UAL 767-300, we have 35. Seats 183 in 3 class, Seats 214 in 2 class
UAL 767-400, we have 16. Seats 242
UAL 787-8, we have 12, seats 219
UAL 787-9, we will have 21 by 2018, seats 252
Boeing originally designed the 787-8 as a replacement for the 767-300. The 767-400 was only built in small numbers and not many sold. The 767-300 is still in production. As you know, the 787 suffered quite severe production and flight test delays, not to mention the battery issues. The original design work started back in 2005. So, you may not have been in the industry when these decisions were made, or the plane purchased for UAL. "Let's be true about the facts, the 787 was never a 767 replacement." Maybe not.
To quote Wikipedia, your source, "The 787 was designed to be 20% more fuel efficient than the
Boeing 767, which it was intended to replace." You can also search Aviation Week for the original work on the 787. I can point you in the direction of a few friends of mine that worked the program for Boeing. PM me if you want those references.
In our configurations, the 767-300 is pretty close to the 787-8, 214 to 219. The 787-9 is pretty close to the seating capacity of our 767-400's, 242 to 252. Now, what the airplanes were designed for and how UAL uses them may not be exactly as intended. That's another discussion for the fleet planners. I reiterate, as long as fuel is cheap, a paid for 767 looks pretty good compared to a new car payment on the 787.