Data. A simple thing huh? It is what I was requesting from you - which you did not provide.

In terms of the company closing, I guess you're correct in saying that is what was "said." Nobody really knows unless you were actually in the big bosses office the day it was discussed. And I understand that's what F9 told you but why don't you believe FAPA? Is it your premise that pilots (actual pilots flying the line) who were part of FAPA at the time willfully gave away "the farm" as you call it, for no other reason then they are just weak and didn't want to negotiate? That these guys would cut their own throats in pay and terms because they are lazy? Keep in mind, these same weak, feable guys are still here - living through this concessionary contract. The same guys are sharing the cockpit w/ you now and are charged w/ your safety. The same guys are listening to you complain about a contract that you have no idea of the reasons why it is what it is.

Two inputs for you:

One, if this contract is SO bad, why don't you volunteer to be on the negotiating committee. That way, we ALL get the benefit of your superior knowledge and bravery in standing up to the company.

Second, go back and read this forum (or at least talk to someone who was around back then). Ask them their take. Get to real heart of the matter concerning why the contract is the way that it is. Keep in mind that it was negotiated w/ the PRIOR owner and management team - not Indigo. Also, you CAN verify for yourself the amount of money this company was losing at the time and do the math of how long it could afford to stay in business. A simple google search away. Then, this data that you speak of, you will have.

If you are one of our pilots, be a part of the solution...