Originally Posted by
Upsddown
It depends how the contract is written.
I do not believe it works the way Mainline describes though. At least on international trips or 24 plus hour layovers domestic or international.
As I understand it for Mainlines example of a Europe east coast trip of 8 hours with a 24 hour layover followed by an 8 hour return the pilot would get the greater of 5 hours for each calendar day (15 hours) or the time for the trip (16 hours).
In his example it would pay 16 hours.
An example he is trying to illustrate would be a BOS to DUB trip. 6 hours over. 24 hour layover and then 7 hours back. That trip would pay the greater of 13 hours or three times (3 days) 5 hours minimum (or whatever the minimum day was). So that trip would pay 15 hours.
Think about it. Do you think any company is going to pay a pilot 15 hours to fly to Asia. Then pay them 5 hours to layover and then another 15 hours to fly home for a total of 35 hours?
Where the five hours would come into play is if the total days away from base times 5 exceeded the value of the trip.
The issue is asterisk trips. 3 day trips that pay 12-13 hours. We get 12-13. DAL gets 15:45 (5:15 minimum a day if I recall).
Yea I'm not sure about how it'd work out if duty period 1 flew into calendar day 2.
But you're missing it with your DUB example. You described average calendar day. If you have min calendar day it protects you even better from inefficient trips. You will never credit less than 5(or whatever you bargain) for a calendar day. 6 hour block day 1, 6 hour block day 2, 1 hour block day 3. Average calendar day it pays 15. Min calendar day pays 17.
Of course no company is just going to pay their pilots that way for fun. We would have to negotiate it (like SWA did). I'd be happy with average but it's insulting to the airlines with real contracts to not try and raise the bar.