Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
Why the need to track it at all?
Would you prefer unlimited ... hmmm, I almost used the word Make-Up, but if there's no limit, the concept of Make-Up wouldn't really apply, would it? So, would you prefer the ability to work an unlimited amount of extra time at straight pay?
Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
At my previous 5 airlines if you dropped something, dropped it period you didn't get paid for what you drop.
No different here.
Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
There was no limit on to how much you could work either. If you wanted to fly 100 hours you could. I mean by overly complicating things why the need to limit how much you can work by having a bank?
So, the answer to my first question is "YES", you DO want to be able to work an unlimited amount at straight time. Very short-sighted.
Make-up hours are tracked for the benefit of the pilot, not The Company. The pilot is entitled to the Credit Hours that are on his awarded Bid Line. He should be given the opportunity to accomplish the work and earn the pay. If a subsequent conflict results in the need to remove such an opportunity to earn the pay, he is given the opportunity to make it up at a future time. This applies if the awarded line has carry-out trips that overlap with the following month, and it applies of the line has trips that conflict with training.
Consider the training scenario. You are awarded a line, and you have training. The training date you are awarded conflicts with trips, so you are removed from those trips and hours added to your Make-Up bank. Unless you do something to add trips to your schedule, your paycheck will suffer. So you look to Open Time for trips on other days that you can fly. Who do you believe should have priority for those Open Time trips, you and guys like you who have lost trips and therefore have hours in your Make-Up bank, or somebody who is even with the lines he's been awarded? Of course the priority should go to you.
Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
Only being able to work 6 hours extra a month or 12 by trip trading if you you have a line really is foreign to me.
I'm confident if you can figure out an FMS you'll be able to figure out this "overly complicated" system. Apparently it's not about the complexity, it's just that you want to work unlimited. If it's really that stressful, I can only suggest that you dive into ALPA work and try to muster support to change the work rules, or look for a job with different, "simpler" work rules.
The latitude and flexibility allowed on trip trading is, again, to the pilot's benefit. If you could only trade exact credit hours, you couldn't trade your 6:00 CH trip for the 6:07 CH trip in Open Time.
The Company would love it if everyone would work to the FAR limits at straight pay or less. That sounds like something you might be interested in. That falls into the category of pilots being their own worst enemies. Rather than being reduced to a pack of rats swarming for the crumbs that happen to fall to the floor, I, and the majority of our pilot group apparently, prefer a structure that results in the occasional need to solicit volunteers and offer draft pay at 150% for what most people would call OVERTIME work. Overtime pay for overtime work -- what a concept!
Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
Dont get me wrong I love FedEx its been great, and I am not trying to make this a mil vs civ. thread derailment.
Then you'll need to explain your use of the pronouns "they" and "us."
Originally Posted by
GoAroundFlaps
Originally Posted by
kc10/c130
I would say the majority of people with large makeup banks, ie. >300 hrs, are prior military. Most non mil people I know have less than 25 hours in their makeup bank unless they are senior and bid a lot of carryover and protect min days off.
Which is exactly my point.
They [prior military] have the bank balance to pick up the cherry trips that some of
us [non mil] do not have that ability.
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