Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER;

......It is totally appropriate to complain(LMFAO) about the job I have AND warn others about coming to work at Atlas. There are many, many pilots trying to leave and who will leave when they get the chance, but because they haven't yet left that is by no means an endorsement of the company nor is it a reason to suggest that Atlas applicants should come here to work. Sometimes the people in a burning building are stuck there and cant break the window to jump, or want to wait for the firemen to bring the net, or believe it will eventually rain, but that doesn't mean that they would recommend that you take the elevator up to their office for an interview......(I have never said "why don't you just leave".....you took what I said out of context. Rather, I understand that people have their apps out and I ADVOCATE wholeheartedly that one should remain here until they have another job hence the ...."bird in hand"... analogy).

....you are certainly entitled to your opinion but, as they say, you are not entitled to your own facts....(Nice Conway reference but I am not posting any fact....just my opinion. But yours........FAKE POST!)(jk of course...I just had to throw in a ......."not my post" line in there).

.....Unionism is not about helping yourself, it's all about helping out the group, including the group of guys that are trying to establish careers for themselves. In the long run, helping out the group IS helping yourself. Yes, you can say that any job is better than none, but that is not necessarily true. The future of Atlas is VERY uncertain right now and in the next year, a new hire may very well: 1. be furloughed, 2. be on strike, 3. be fired because of training issues, or 4. miss the hiring wave at other, more stable and rewarding airlines, etc., etc......( Nice Union speech. Why don't you run for office. But I don't VX or outbase so this chest thumping must be for someone else).

.....People come to these boards to get information and opinions(EXACTLY....opinion. And that is all I have ever done here. But just because I don't vehemently chest thump and stomp around doesn't mean I disagree with you. I AGREE with you. We need serious improvements here!!!). The current information contains facts that point to Atlas being a very bad place to work based on many, many popular and important factors......

.....Atlas does not follow the contract. Every day, there are scheduling issues, payroll issues, hotel issues, travel issues, training issues, catering issues, etc., etc. Every day. And these are not mistakes, it is a systemic culture within Atlas operations to disregard our contract. We have had this contract for five years and they STILL violate it on a daily basis. The sad part is that many pilots never know their contractual rights are being violated. The other sad part is that the company could fix most all of these violations very easily......(Again, I AGREE with you but why get all worked up about it? I have said in previous posts that it does happen...and to me...but in my experience not SO much as it apparently happens to you and others).

.....But the most egregious violation that we live with every day is the company's refusal to continue section 6 contract negotiations. This failure is costing you time, health, and a lot of pay every day....(I have NEVER disagreed with this. I am section 6 ALL THE WAY)

.....The stress caused by Atlas management's refusal to follow our contract(you are causing your own stress. Take a pill or see a therapist if you are unable to cope....Atlas is doing what ANY company would in it's position. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say that management and the union is causing the stress? It's a two way street.), to negotiate in good faith, and their recent decision to sue us, their own employees, is what is creating the toxic work environment, not interpersonal issues among the crews. Airline pilots are constantly trained to mitigate problems and reduce cockpit stress. Unfortunately, the decisions made by the management group at Atlas have increased this stress exponentially......(I don't let my blood pressure rise over things beyond my control. I vote. I decline illegal assignments and I use the company credit card and then go to sleep).

Safety is no longer their number one concern(An egregious and gross exaggeration.....wait for it........IMHO).




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