Originally Posted by LuckyNow

The problem as I see it with group 1 is that while the pay scales are attractive for the company, growing group 1 creates a perpetual training bubble. Even with only 20 in the fleet, the turnover is high. With a more sizable fleet of group 1 airplanes, the movement at the top will dictate that guys will be able to bid to group 2 by year 2. Any cost savings the company might have gained from those pay scales is washed away in training cycle costs. I say that if they come selling higher group 1 pay in the next round in exchange for something else, we shouldn't give them back anything more than those greasy biscuits on our breakfast plates, because it'll benefit them too.