jesse when were you hired? i might have been in your class. as much as flow backs leaving and the guys with aa numbers it doesnt matter. Its not all about upgrade time. What good is upgrade time when you are stuck working 95 plus hours a month and getting junior manned cause NO ONE IS GOING THERE to allow you to work. Despite the 700 pilots they hired the net was some where like 50. You might actually upgrade in 3-4 years but youll be stuck working like a dog while everyone else is at least enjoying where they are.