Nobody bids for them you get forced into them.

At least on reserve it used to be you'd do one every week and that was it.

Junior guys have remained junior due to the furlough from the top and no movement and at least on the US side guys hired in 2014 and later have been doing red eyes the whole time

At least on reserve now I've gotten some normal trips every now and then. When I was doing red eyes before the integration when PHL had so many of them I used to tell myself 'this isn't that bad'. Now that I've got a small break from them yes, yes they are.