Originally Posted by
Dolphinflyer
We'll see. Agree that in the short term, PHX trips like that went to chit to match the LAX garbage. Not sure if DL, UA and others are getting the 15 for 2 leg 3-days. I've heard some guys say they combine them into crappy 4 or 5 day ones.
False comment on the UAL and DAL flying. They may be combined into a 4 day, but, not always and they don't suck any worse then a 3 day Hawaii.
Ex....from my UAL friends trip
SFO-DEN-LAX (Day 1)
LAX-OGG(Day 2)
Layover (Day 3)
OGG-SFO (Day 4)
Not awful at all, for 4 days of pay. 4 legs, long layover, one red eye, home early last day. We fly far far worse 4 days
He also says he gets around 16-17 hours for a 3 day. Yes they have min calendar around 5, but their actual block times (on top of the min calendar day they are away from home on long layover, at the beach...) takes them over. My friends at UAL and DAL don't laugh at us on this issue, they pity us.
People are still in denial about how bad this JCBA is, how bad many where hood-winked. Min Calendar Day is by far the worst work rule give up in it. Schedules, pay, days off, all ride in it. Min duty period is worthless with out a min day as the foundation. If they APA gets min calendar day back, it would be a huge win
Put it this way, the 757 flying out of PHX to Hawaii , the Bus Hawaii flying out of LAX, the mid range SA flying out of MIA are all some the worst flying in our system in terms of pay and QOL. With min calendar day....they would become some of the best.