more than four of us, yes yes yes, we have talked and talked and talked. What do I expect SA management to give me, the middle finger and continue on head, altitude and speed regardless of what I think. I can't join the SACG as I am not a pilot for SA and therefore can't be represented by them. I am giving all she's got Scotty and I can't give er no more Captn. I am trying to tell you we are doing all we can. It is out of our hands for now.

Dutch how's the trusty old ten treating you.