This is RELATIVE.

You wanna tell a 2nd year guy at Mesa or a 4th year guy at ExpressJet (who might still be on reserve) NOT to apply? Really?

People come to this thread to learn about what Frontier is and what it isn't. They can read the pay scale and posts and learn some basic info about our contract. I would expect everyone who applies knows about the training contract, lack of hotels during training and the fact that we're in negotiations. What they don't know is how are the people they will be sitting next to and working with or what's it like on the road or in the crew room. How bitter is the workforce and how much a$$pain should they expect for the next 20 years?

People will obviously decide for themselves if it sucks worse than their current amount of suckage. And from the looks of the doom and gloom postings here, I'm sure many wonder what's worse - the pay/conditions or the people.

I, for one, prefer to just tell it like it is (lots of issues but hopefully some resolution within the next 3-5 years w/ a chance at upgrading in the same time) and not whine about what we already know is a stressful time...