Originally Posted by
XJPILOT1
"While a lot of our recent focus has justifiably been on the
CRJ900, some of the plans for our CRJ200 fleet will become
more visible in the near future. We are scheduled to begin
receiving CRJ200 aircraft from Pinnacle Airlines beginning in
early November at a rate of about two planes every month. As
you will read more about in this issue of NewsLaunch, in order
for our training to keep up with this rapid growth, we have
recently purchased a CRJ200 flight simulator, which is currently
being installed at our general office in Eagan."
-JOHN SPANJERS
Your horse deceived you.
the horse was uncle phil in a weekly letter, so unless something changed this week then i stand by what i said. like i have said before we dont want them... PLEASE TAKE THEM...
Originally Posted by
stickwiggler
Airsupport,
I do not intend to insult you but..... the point someone was making about getting the pay up is still valid. I looked at your pay rates posted on APC and it shows CRJ captain maxing out at 82/hr. That's $20 less per hour than the average. So to be bragmatic that your pilot group did nothing to get these airplanes is a little silly. By not demanding a competitive rate to fly them you did "do something".
Hopefully, your pilot group did not agree to fly a 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates. Hopefully APC just hasn't posted the new rates yet.......but I fear that is not the case.
Stick
No insult taken, but i will clarify some of the problems in your statement to help you understand what i was saying. About (70-80%) of our pilot group wasn't around 7 plus years ago when our current contract was signed (it was signed at the beginning of 2000!!) so the majority of the people this company has ****ed off weren't here when that contract came down the pipe line.
As far as the pay rates, we DID DEMAND comeptitive pay rates. and when we turned them in to the company they just laughed. and when they sent us their pay rates we just laughed. so per our standard new equipment clause in our alpa contract a arbitrator will decide the pay rates for us.. management wont get what they want, and we wont get what we want. what will happen is the arbitrator will look at other operators rates for the 900 and then will find a "happy medium" and ASSIGN us a rate... lucky for us is that the rate will be assigned before we have a contract so it wont be binding for the next. so once again we will demand more pay than what the arbitrator will give us.
So to answer your question we will not fly the 900s for 200s rates.. we have no say in our pay rates for the 900's at this point. neither does the company. its all in the hands of the arbitrator.
Originally Posted by
XJPILOT1
It sounds like a jab at MESABA. But our concesions are temporary. We received money in our 401k's (a lot of money). Starting in dec 07 our pay starts coming back to pre-banckruptcy. Our current first officer pay WITH the concession is MORE then first year FO pay at 9E. So not sure what your point is?
The reason you don't understand my post is because you are trying to tie it to mesaba, which is not the case. so, i guess what i would say is what is your point?? you have been at mesaba for just a couple of months and were not there when that contract was signed, just like i wasn't at pinnacle over 7 years ago when our contract was signed. of course your pay rates are more, your contract was signed in 2004, more than 4 years after ours was signed.. think of it this way, 1 year after mesbas contract had started, ours became ammendable.
Originally Posted by
RJ85FO
Is this refering to Mesaba's past plight?
no rj85fo, we had this discussion several months ago...
i will refresh your memory. what i am saying is people have accused the pilot group of taking cuts to get new flying, which is untrue. this proves once again that pilot groups have no effect on getting new business, good management is what grows the business. you guys taking the concessions didn't get you the 900 flying, the fact nwa was going to buy you guys is what got you that flying.