Originally Posted by
JKSees
My personal situation is different, I have all my hours from the military and am just getting current and proficient in a 121 environment and was hoping to spend some time doing it out Seattle for a few years in a nice airplane. SkyWest works for me personally.
However, my point was to express the general feeling of many of the new hires I know. They are all starting to get a sense that things are not moving like the recruiters/interviewers said they would. Its not entitlement, simply recognition that opportunities elsewhere exist and their priority is to fly and build hours, next priority is pay. If OO isn't doing either why would they stay? Their career effectively grinds to a halt and they remain broke in the mean time. Some of these dudes are so poor I had to buy them their six pack on Friday nights in ground school. Add on top of that the debt from their aviation degrees etc. If SkyWest is really just stockpiling pilots just to sit them, thats not right, at least not without being up front about it, and people should leave. I am sure that if the recruiters had told them they were stockpiling pilots they would have looked elsewhere. Like somewhere where they were short pilots and were going to fly. Was it unreasonable to assume that SkyWests aggressive hiring meant that they actually needed them to be pilots?
And its not about "doing your research". Their is so much info out their it is impossible to know whats correct. Add on top of that regional recruiters/interviewers are apparently something akin to a used car salesmen. Its very confusing for someone new that is trying to get it all sorted and just make the decision that is right for them. In my interview I was told they "needed" ERJ pilots. I figured that meant thats where the flying was at. As of now it appears that is definitely not the case. But I guess time will tell.
I don't blame anyone for not wanting to fly the CRJ. Things a pile.
But my point still stands, if guys sit for too long, they are going to start taking the cash bonuses elsewhere at airlines that fly them just to survive and keep their career moving forward.
lighten up.
Yeah that's a load of crap. If you can't finance yourself on our wages then that's a personal problem. I'm single, I pay for a one bedroom, crashpad, student loans, insurance, and all the other normal people bills. I survive comfortably. Not able to spend a lot of money to be honest where I want but I'm not poor. I didn't go and get a new flashy car or go on vacations I couldn't afford. I financed myself like a normal person would based on their income. If you can't survive off 35,000+ something needs to be evaluated in their money management. Surely being new to a company and complaining "PAY ME MORE" is not the solution.
Also, yes you can do your research. Plenty of pilots in this thread or on property will give you real information. Even I knew about reserve times on the ERJ being long and that was back when I interviewed in September.
The company is short on pilots in their eyes because they want more reserves. You sound like having people on reserve is a negative thing? It clearly didn't work for Republic and our company just a few years ago was extremely short on reserve. Anyone in management could have told you that they don't want to get that low again. You need reserves to run a efficient healthy airline.
I understand people coming on property and wanting hours as fast as they can...but seriously? You fall for the shiny jet syndrome, recruiter tips, and want a line in Seattle on your first week off IOE? And you're telling us you're threatening to quit over it? That sounds to me like some entitlement. Do your time. Even I'm new and I'd never have this attitude. I'm telling you some captains will rip this to shreads.
Your situation isn't "different" you just have the wrong mindset for the industry. I know with your military background you'll probably expect to be at a Legacy in 12 months and be up in flames if that doesn't happen either or if you have to sit reserve for YEARS out of base.