Originally Posted by davessn763

So you are saying we have less pilots in the summer of 2017 than in the summer of 2016 because hiring is less than losses. Can you show me how that is growth and not shrinkage?

Our wide body fleet count will be less year end 2017 than it was year end 2016. Can you show me how that is not shrinkage?

The number of pilots on the seniority list being paid widebody pay year end 2017 will be less than year end 2016. Can you show me how that is not a shrinkage?

Our narrow body fleet has grown year over year, But our narrow body CA staffing has been relatively flat.

There are a bunch of aircraft orders and options pending over the next ten years, but we also have large amount of aircraft that are 20 + years old. Whether we grow or shrink over the next ten years is a good as anybody's guess.

I'm going to stick to my assertion that in December we will have less total pilots and airframes year over year.