Originally Posted by
BoilerUP
For the thousandteenth time, shortage does not equal scarcity.
With respect to those pilot groups and the people working there, does Spirit struggle finding enough pilots to hire? Frontier? JetBlue? Western Global? Southern? Atlas?
And we're to think unfilled classes due to lack of talent is right around the corner for the legacies and FDX/UPS?
Nope.
^^^^^TRUTH.
Pilots are STILL showing up. We all thought the regional model would have all out imploded by now. NOPE, not even close.....
I know, I know......"they are getting enough pilots!!!!!" Really? Pilots are STILL showing up. Doesn't matter if they're lateral move pilots, retired mil getting currents, career returns, or the R-ATP whatevers.....
Regional feed is STILL flying. It's still a ways away from reaching "critica mass"
Originally Posted by
atpcliff
At all of the above, they are having various struggles getting enough new hires.
At Atlas, we just had a new hire class programmed for 12 pilots. 2 committed to actually showing up.
7 years ago, Atlas had the pick of the litter. Not anymore...
For now.......
But see above, Atlas is an ACMI, like a regional. They'll be able to put a band aid on it, when it ACTUALLY reacheds "critical mass".
Originally Posted by
BoilerUP
That's what happens when the labor supply and demand curve no longer favors supply and companies don't increase their compensation as prices increase along that curve.
And yet, metal still moves and those companies are still growing...
Agreed, just like the regionals. Although the regionals aren't "growing", others maintain or gain flying from other carriers as the ever present game of shifting "sourcing costs" gets played.
Originally Posted by
DarkSideMoon
Labor isn't immediately flexible. There just aren't enough qualified pilots for the number of jobs. The top few companies will be a em to staff for now with their current standards but they can't do it indefinitely. It takes 2-3 years to get someone with 0 experience to ATP mins.
See above, still a long ways away. As long as pilot meets the published mins, THEY ARE QUALIFIED. Just not as competitive as was required previous. Atlas has lowered their "mins" multiple times.
Guess what? DAL has hired MULTIPLE civilian pilots that have barely over 2000 TT and 25 years old. YES, WE ALL KNOW THE HOW/WHY. That doesn't change the FACT that they STILL met the mins. Competitive on the eperience front? Hardly.........