I'll admit that with most airlines hiring, ATI is not for everyone. I flew with ABX and ATI for twenty years and it's not surprising to anyone that management is suspect at best and has perfected the shell game to keep pay low. I don't see this ending anytime soon. Saying that, as a retired military pilot with retirement in hand with medical and dental, I would recommend ATI if you are in a similar situation as me, you like flying very little and like having long layovers in fairly nice locations especially overseas. And, it sounds like upgrades are will be increasing. I never tell people to avoid a flying job. I just point to areas that may not be for them. Plus, all in all the guys I flew with are pretty good dudes both in ATI and ABX. Hope this helps with the negativity I feel you guys seem to have.