Originally Posted by ORDinary

Well, even if AA had hired as many as they said they would, Envoy still would not have flowed as many as they said. Envoy disingenuously claimed they would flow "330 plus" in 2017. The real maximum it could have been was about 275, and now that is looking more like 250 or less. In 2016, RW claimed we would flow 300+, and we flowed 254.

I completely agree that nobody is "messing with" the flow if AA just chooses not to hire. But AA choosing not to hire, or AA getting backed up in training, has always been a possibility, despite what company salesmen claim. Based on this year and last, perhaps everyone should add about 20% or more to their flow estimate. Especially since if AA can't keep up with training now, they may really have trouble when retirements increase sharply over the next few years. If best case scenario has someone going in 5 years, expect 6+. A new hire today who projects to go in 8 should more realistically expect about 9.5. It's still a guess but the salesmanship exaggerating flow times is frustrating. Flow is obviously still a great benefit, but these delays are a constant disappointment if you don't have a realistic perspective.