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Old 09-05-2017, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
I know you are very experienced and an author. But on that same token of 30+ yrs experience and accident investigation work, keep in mind that experts in their own fields wrote that report which you say missed the mark (even if good). Those are multiple groups that investigated thoroughly AF447 and came up with their report. I'll be honest that I did not read the entire report, but I read many pages of it and I thought it was a great report.

I agree with you that our training regime needs to be changed to reflect the reality of today's environment of high automation, all glass cockpits, with very little hand flying in reality. That should require a full revamp of the tired old Proficiency Check standards. Also, we should have taught stalls from day 1 to be immediately nose down to reduce the AOA and add power. Instead of the BS I learned in 2007 at a regional (to be fair, all airlines back then) to power out of a stall by adding power, spoilers in, and ride the stick shaker. In the landing configuration that required slight back pressure. It was ridiculous. Now this has been fixed. Sims are also slowly being fully certified to represent a true deep stall in the high Flight Levels.
The difference also is that I know many of those involved on that investigation, including several on the HF group that wrote that report. I have discussed these things and they were not aware of some of the factors. I urge you to read the ENTIRE report. Also, the canned training, even improved, is far short of the mark. I am hoping and working to fix that. As I previously stated, while pilots are generally able to tell you what to expect if you tell them what failed, they are very poor at telling you what failed if you just provide the symptoms. I think that is a key factor.

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