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Old 09-26-2017 | 08:03 PM
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67Creek
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Default [Oct 2017] Piedmont vs Envoy

Sorry to post another one of these X vs Y threads. Things change pretty quickly; I want to make sure I have up-to-date information. I'll try to post in a way that might make this useful to others.

I will be applying for Piedmont and Envoy in the next week. Hopefully I can interview with both in October. If I get an offer from just one, my decision is made. My problem lies in choosing one over the other if I receive an offer from both.

Neither company has a domicile near me, and I'm pretty mobile. I plan to move to whatever domicile I end up in.

Envoy Advantages
  • Better signing bonus ($21,000 vs Piedmont's $16,200)
  • Better pay first five years of captain-hood ($65-$74) than Piedmont ($58-73) [145 payscales]
  • Quicker training process (I hear it can take months to get a class at Piedmont, and there are delays along the way)
  • More domicile options for new hires
  • Bigger pilot group (any particular advantages to this?)

Piedmont Advantages
  • $39.37 starting pay, vs Envoy's $37.90
  • Quicker flow (for someone hired in the next couple of months) than Envoy, correct?
  • Both have historically short reserves, but Piedmont's is a little shorter?
Commonalities
  • Similar QoL (could use improvement)
  • Could upgrade as soon as I have 1000 hrs 121
  • Probably flying 145 at either (I'm early 30's, no military or 121 experience)
Questions
  • Do these conclusions seem accurate?
  • Anyone have an idea what the flow times might be for someone that interviews in October and takes the first class date available? I hear Piedmont might be very short, as in less than five years. Envoy, on the other hand, has some massive classes the last couple of months.
  • What advantages/disadvantages am I missing?

Ultimately, I'm interested in determining which is the best path for long-term success and benefit/compensation over my entire career, even if it means making some sacrifice in the first few years.

I would think that Piedmont, if its flow is several years shorter, would be better in the long run (better seniority in the majors). However, that could be a moot point if the majors would hire a pilot before either flow date. In that case, the pay/benefits during a pilot's stint in the regionals becomes a bigger factor, as do things such upgrade date (which might be sooner at Envoy, if it takes a lot longer to go from interview->flying at Piedmont.)

Anyways, just trying to make a good decision. Thanks in advance.

Last edited by 67Creek; 09-26-2017 at 08:24 PM.
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