I do as well but I really wasn't implying that hazing is what I am for. I didn't agree with that in college and I don't now. What I am saying is working hard to get to the top seems to be a bygone mentality. Oh and John Hancock, MLK and the Wright Bros CERTAINLY worked hard for many years at their passions before they were thrust into the spotlight and earned acclaim. The respect they have was EARNED, not just handed to them.