Originally Posted by
Bluedriver
Joe, I made the point that we are several metrics short of a great career compared to the big 3 and that a CBA won't address all of our career short comings.
You agreed, but said that when our retirements start we will be able to compete.
I said thats not for 15 years, and asked how we will compete for the next 15 years?
You said the contract.
That's in a nutshell what I took from the last several posts between us.
That's where I disagree with you.
I HAVE to ask, what exactly is there to be positive about right NOW with JB?
The problem is what you take is what you want to hear and spin.
Originally Posted by
pilotpayne
Well we would need a cba but after that you can’t compete if guys want to fly the big planes or live in different parts of the country.
The only time that will change is years and years from now when the majors will be finished with retirements and we will be starting ours. They will be stagnant and we should have the movement up the list. It’s all cyclical.
That is the one where I agreed with you and said it won't be till retirements start here and stagnation happens at the majors.
Originally Posted by
pilotpayne
So if we get an industry standard contract you still think we won't get qualified guys? Honestly there really isn't a point to do this with you. Yeah few will come here the growth will slow even further which will make nobody apply here so we will probably furlough.....we are all doomed. Update those apps guys.
That is where I asked you about an industry standard contract.
And that is all I said before you said I think everything will be ok with a CBA. As you can see that's a little different vs what you got out of it.
Will a CBA fix us competing with the big 3 no but it will help vs what we have now. But if we have this problem and assuming and industry standard CBA so will SWA HA and ALK correct?
As always airlines are all about seniority and how fast you can get that quick QOL which is why we will have a hard time because unless we really grow (we might) you will move slower up the list.
I don't really want to play this game of what is positive that's for each person I have things that are positive and some that are not.