Originally Posted by
Southerner
Apples/Oranges. He’s saying that we shouldn’t use their numbers for contract comparison. I agree with that. The three of us (Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue) are all in similar stages of negotiations. So none of us should use our rates for comparison.
I’m saying that we aren’t the worst in the industry as a place to work, which (as discussed) we already don’t agree on how to determine. And for that we absolutely should look at them, especially since we are in a similar place negotiation-wise. I think we are in a far better place that Spirit with regard to negotiations.
Even if Spirit got a contract tomorrow and it paid the most in the industry, I wouldn’t want to work there. I don’t like their product. I don’t like their fleet. I don’t like their customers. Those things are far more important to me than a pay rate.
Our superior profit margins don't justify your willingness to work for less just because you think this is a fun place to work. And you shouldn't be pushing your work-for-less-this-place-is-fun agenda on the rest of us.
My day to day at JB is not entirely unpleasant, but I have a LOT more fun at home. I come to work as most of us do, to support my family. When I'm at work I prefer a better atmosphere to a worse one, but I won't accept less pay from a wildly profitable company for that privilege. And neither should we have to.
We do NOT have to choose between pay and good work atmosphere. False choice.