I have to agree with Feng here. Just because someone is asking questions or looking at numbers is not trying to "manage down expectations". Having a discussion as long as it's not what we would and would not take as a pilot group poses no impact what so ever. It's almost like you are a rolling billboard for ALPA crying anytime someone has something negative to say. If you have such a problem with people having discussions on here then I suggest you go ahead and hit that Log Out button as well.