Originally Posted by ag386

Naw man, I've left Envoy. Done my time there. At the shetiest ULCC out there now making 164/hr in the left seat of the bus. There are things that could be better but I'll take it over $69 to $73/hour at Envoy is where I would be.

If you are thinking you are one of those getting a 5 or 6 year flow, might want to revisit that with your personal figuring and compare that with the company and the union. Lost decade...sure. That has an effect. It's not in the multi years though. A guy hired today is probably a bit over 8 years to wait, maybe a bit longer.