Originally Posted by jshoneycutt

You do not have to wait for the flow.

Envoy is on par with the industry (and even leading in some areas) for reserve time, upgrade time, pay, bonuses, commuter policy, contract... You will qualify for a legacy/major/lcc just as quickly with Envoy as anywhere else. Difference being, even if you end up sucking at the application game (oh the stories I have heard about application windows and no callbacks etc.) you still have a guaranteed job at a legacy carrier.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment to warn pilots from going to Envoy with the notion that flow is going to be their golden ticket and fastest track to a major (fighting hard to hold back my tangent about airlines and schools preying on young pilots). Still, I think that message is lost and has yielded to a message of "flow is bad and is going to hurt you. RUN AWAY!" Which is not true and just as harmful to new pilots as "Flow is magic. It makes you poop rainbows and fart perfume."

$0.02