Originally Posted by
horrido27
I'm quoting 2016 to 2017.. based of our Investor Relations.
2016 2017 End Diff
747 20 0 -20
777 76 88 +12
787 30 33 +3
I'd have to do some digging to find 2015 numbers..
Maybe someone can find the fleet numbers for Jan 2012 and every year thereafter. Would be interesting to see how our fleet has done.
Keep in mind, we've parked the 76-2's and now the 74's. But added the 78's and more/newer 777's. I do believe in the long run (2012-2017) it's net positive for WB's/Higher Pay.
Also, and this is interesting...
Our ISL showed the last guy (exCAL) as number 12155.
Today our Staffing shows that we have 12500 pilots.
Therefore, seems we have grown by 345 pilots over the last 5 years!
Also, #12155 is now #10249 (per Dec Staffing).. meaning we have hired/added 1906 pilots over these past 5 years.
That actually surprised me, as I thought the number would be higher.
Interesting/cool discussion. But again, lets be realists. What are the actual aircraft deliveries scheduled for 2018 (type and month)...
I think it's 4 777's, 3 787's, but not sure about the 73's and any used Airbuses... (you state different numbers)
Hopefully, since we are done with aircraft retirements, any and all aircraft coming in the near future are growth birds. Even with increased crew utilization and reserve efficiency, it should result in growth of the pilot group.
But the question is.. how much so?!
13000 pilots by the end of 2018!? Would be nice~
(12500ish now, 328 suppose to retire in 2018 [and 73 in Nov/Dec of this year].. so 12100ish pilots in 2018 until you add the newhires [NOT returning people].. 900 newhires is what would be needed)
Motch
PS) 13000 pilots and using the the average of someone at 76% being able to hold Capt would mean that everyone from the Legacy carriers would finally be able to bid Capt. Hopefully~
Don't forget Motch although we have only "grown" by 345 pilots we have also brought back 1200+ furloughed pilots that were NOT on property at the time of the merger.
I am not sure about any delivery dates other than the 4 787s that come in DEC 17' - FEB 18' and the 4 777-300ERs that come next year in the 4 quarter. I know we are going to start the 787-10 deliveries in 2018 but I don't know how many and what months.
We have parked 21 747s and taken delivery of 47 new WB since the merger. The 767-200s would not have been at the WB pay scale had they made to the merged airline so they do not count toward the highest pay scale jobs. No matter how you look at it, it would be impossible for anyone to say that we have lost WB pay positions, in fact we have grown them.
the parking of the 757-200s were replaced 1:1 plus extra by 737-900s so the pay/ jobs were a wash and even increased. The only lost higher paying position would be the 767-200s wich were tied with the 767-300s.
Now if you count CALs 737-300/500 we may be down a bit but I'm not up to speed on how many there were at the time of the merger.