Originally Posted by
oldmako
I guess that's the difference between spending 20 years in the left seat vs the right.
In my time here, I have seen plenty of spineless types on the other side of the cockpit. You know, the guys who actually sign the release and are supposed to set the cockpit demeanor.
And please, do not take mistake my point to be about chest beating union issues only. But when a captain is too chicken to write up a known and serious defect out of fear of a phone call from a desk driver, you know exactly where he's going to stand when push comes to shove on all other issues as well.
To flip off the union when every little thing doesn't go your way strikes me as childish. It also says a lot about ones character and little about their opinion of shared sacrifice. .
I'm sure there are pilots in both seats who are spineless. you've had spineless caps. i've had spineless fo's. yep i agree with ya the cap should probably and normally set the tone for the trip and what's acceptable. not sure you really had a beef with me here, old shark.
my point was more to the union pin. in the last 20 yrs, I've specially noticed how many fo's, all adorned with pins and stickers, want to push back when i try to "set the demeanor", as you put it in your pretty good attempt to avoid the appearance of improper collective actions
too bored already to list several examples but any pilot who has any SA at all knows the ways pilots can have the right demeanor- or be too much of company men. ( actually, it's not usually so much that they're company men as that they don't want to inconvenience their own little butts)
just seen it far too many times. so still not impressed with pins and strike preparedness shields. that's all