Originally Posted by buscappy

I'm sure there are pilots in both seats who are spineless. you've had spineless caps. i've had spineless fo's. yep i agree with ya the cap should probably and normally set the tone for the trip and what's acceptable. not sure you really had a beef with me here, old shark.
my point was more to the union pin. in the last 20 yrs, I've specially noticed how many fo's, all adorned with pins and stickers, want to push back when i try to "set the demeanor", as you put it in your pretty good attempt to avoid the appearance of improper collective actions

too bored already to list several examples but any pilot who has any SA at all knows the ways pilots can have the right demeanor- or be too much of company men. ( actually, it's not usually so much that they're company men as that they don't want to inconvenience their own little butts)

just seen it far too many times. so still not impressed with pins and strike preparedness shields. that's all