Originally Posted by
FlyBoat
I don't care how much experience you bring in. If you have been a Boeing guy all your life and come to Spirit to learn the bus, you should expect a good training program. While experience in decision making, judgement and situational awareness is golden, it does nothing when it comes to teaching a new philosophy, systems.
A typical 2000 guy is just as capable as a 500 hr guy given the right tools and training. I've also seen 10,000 Captains with all the experience in the world, be crappy pilots.
And in a perfect world there would be no hunger and no wars and Spirit would have a training program that any dedicated pilot could pass.
All three of those things are not reality. To say you dont care how much experience someone comes in with says all I need to hear regarding your value on experience. You have exceptions on both points but experience is one of best tools any pilot has in their bag. To discredit it as not important to the success of a training program explains why so may guys are having trouble and failing, they dont have the experience to realize what they are up against.
So everyone can go on and on about how the training program is this, that and should be this...but it is what it has always been. In the words of Coach Green, "They were who we thought they were," and this training program "is what we know it is."
Guys never failed in any large numbers before, they do now. They actually have more hand holding now, these are facts. The largest difference is the experience. Now guys take offense to the obvious that the experience is the difference.
"The training needs to be better to get guys through."
No, first the pay needs to be better to attract quality pilots again. We do not attract the same level of pilot we did and its because of pay and the fact we aren't the only show hiring.
Let the failure number rise and rise, doesn't bother me. Every pilot that doesnt make it only strengthens our case for a new contract and higher wages, while showing the Finnish Fool that you cant take any pilot and push them through his condensed training program.