Originally Posted by
Davetastic
Training as of late has been completely transformed by S.A. Classroom instruction has replaced the "teach yourself most everything" that 8 describes. It is true that during the classroom segments the "LQT" (line qualification training which covers class II and ETOPS) is only a TWO day affair but it is not difficult to plot or to check accuracy on the OFP or other equipment related elements, you just have to remember to do it.
You are speaking about the 767 training. I am referring to the 74. Yes, SA has reformed the 74 experience and it is slightly improved but the 767 training has always been much better than the 747 training ... and still is. Also, the 747 does
not have a two day ETOPS training event. The difficulty the aforementioned crew had was not with plotting but with their clearance. As I heard it, it wasn't that they forgot what to do, they had simply never been trained in what to do.
Originally Posted by
Davetastic
Despite that during OE a new hire may only be required to make as many oceanic crossings as the check airman sees fit, it is NOT rocket science. What makes it difficult is when SHI* goes wrong!!! The LOFT training will truly demonstrate how behind you really may be if non-normal ops presents itself.
Only one crossing is required. Many OE's are done to this minimum and the particulars of crossing other oceanic areas do not get covered in the classroom or on OE.
Originally Posted by
Davetastic
It is contradictory to say that the CA in the aforementioned example ".....had never interviewed them...." and then say "....all of our captains do inquire....".
Obviously the captain on that flight did not ask about the crew's experience. That was the point of bringing up that example and it was only a part of the problem. The bigger part of the problem was the lack of training both in the classroom and on their OE.
Of course, the point of the example is not what you are interested in. You are more interested in disputing anything I say because we have a fundamental difference in our belief of the reality here at Atlas. I think it's bad. You think it's great. Pretty much no matter what I say, you'll disagree. That's fine - that's your prerogative. Most readers can see that the vast majority of posters on this thread feel much the same way that I do and you are in a small but annoying minority of company supporters who feel that things at Atlas are all sunshine and candy.
Don't get me wrong. I like the flying. I like the crews I fly with. What I don't like is the way Atlas treats us. Oh, I p*ss and moan about the company but probably less than most other pilots (there are far better things talk about than that). But what I
don't do is try to dupe other pilots into coming to Atlas with the giggly squeals of a starry-eyed teenager. The pilots applying for a job should be informed about the reality here.
Originally Posted by
Davetastic
Rumors are cannon fodder and should be treated as such. Saying "one day it COULD create a disastrous incident", is just adding fuel to the union fire.
And obviously your goal is to douse the union's fire. That is clear. Again, that's your prerogative. Maybe one day, you'll be so abused by the company that your perspective will change. On the other hand, you may just end up with JC's job. Right now, it seems to be a toss-up.