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Originally Posted by HandyUghes
You could easily find this information by going back through these threads and looking for yourself. You might see discussions about Freedom, China, screwing over Delta, the bankruptcy, furloughs, undercutting other regionals on price, undercutting the industry on compensation, etc.

Mesa operates by the skin of its teeth and puts the absolute bare minimum into everything. If you just fly the line and never interact with the company, you can almost ignore this, but not quite. You are not a human at Mesa, just part of a poorly operated machine, and will be treated as such. These hobbyist second-career types we're hiring will excuse pretty much anything just to pretend they're flying a jet. For the poor saps like me with no skills who actually have to make a living at this, Mesa's history and current condition is a serious predicament.
This thread has a lot of new guys who really don't have the background knowledge to comment, so I appreciate this post with its eye towards historical context. Because sure, the training department is fine, but we would be remiss to ignore the rich and sordid history of Mesa Air Group's unethical treatment of mainline partners and employees over the last few decades.

Since the early days of Larry Risley, the airline had a reputation for being stingy and low paying. It grew to prominence through a series of mergers and acquisitions that began in earnest during the 1980's. Some of those acquired airlines were casualties of the process and thoroughly gutted after getting bought for cents on the dollar (Aspen Airways).

As it grew, management had numerous pilot groups to deal with that were quickly unionizing. This was remedied in 2002 by the creation of Freedom. What was Freedom?
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
For those unfamiliar, MAG management created Freedom in 2002 to work around the pesky Mesa pilots as they negotiated for a better contract. Why bother with that when you can just transfer CRJ's from one subsidiary to another non-Union one? Mesa crews started showing up to the airport to find a Freedom crew already there boarding their airplane; suddenly it was now a flight operated by Freedom. And there was no cancellation pay for the Mesa crew. Flying was being stolen literally right in front of them. It was to a point that Mesa was in very real danger of no longer existing as Freedom grew and grew, screwing every pilot on the Mesa seniority list royally.

The only obstacle for management was getting pilots for this new operation, and it was immediately obvious to every pilot at Mesa that going there would be a very bad thing. If everyone said no to switching, it would've stopped management dead in their tracks.

But there are always those just looking out for #1, sadly, and it was enough for an initial cadre. A few senior Captains went over for big bonuses (I've heard around $30,000, but can't verify that), others for boosted pay rates (of course no future pilots would get those pay rates). Junior Captains and FO's jumped over to suddenly increase their relative seniority tenfold. Now a 3-year FO was walking onto a Freedom flight with 4 bars on his shoulders as a 12-year Mesa Captain lost his 4-day.

Needless to say our negotiating position for that contract was decimated, and what's more the contract we secured several years later that included the scope language that killed Freedom was a lucky fluke, and even then the rest of the contract was **** poor to get that language. Essentially, no other improvements could be made, so because of this whole Freedom fiasco we're 1-2 contracts behind every other regional. That's how Mesa got to be what it is today.

All those Freedom A Listers? The guys who knowingly back stabbed every other Mesa pilot for money and career progression? They now fill the ranks of management pilots and check airmen.

Sickening.
Mesa Air Group has also been a proud participant in numerous lawsuits, including getting sued by United 1997 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_A...ited_codeshare), by Aloha and Hawaiian in 2006 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_A...lated_lawsuits), and oddly enough trying to sue Delta, in Atlanta, around 2008 (MESA AIR GROUP INC v. DELTA AIR LINES INC | FindLaw). More recently, our union sued the company as well.

My favorite was the Aloha lawsuit. Essentially Mesa looked at its books for the purposes of investment or acquisition when the airline wasn't doing well. After saying "No thanks," the company turned around and illegally used that information to compete in Hawaii on the same routes, effectively killing Aloha. They successfully sued us for tens of millions of dollars, but not before we lost the same or more flying CRJ's at a loss around Hawaii.

Shenzen Airlines is another fun one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_A...npeng_Airlines We had a big falling out with a Chinese airline after trying to create a local joint venture with it. The wanted nothing to do with us after the fact.

Following all these shenanigans, Mesa was the object of a Congressional inquiry and heavily reorganized by a bankruptcy court. They found our CEO contracted with and outsourced to a lot of his own companies, and Mesa paid those companies handsomely for their services. Ask around about the Del Rio, the shady hotel he owned and put crews in. The bankruptcy court put a stop to all that, but many rumors exist on how he faced no legal prosecution. Earlier, he actually fled the country after illegal dealings on Wall Street. That's how he went to the UK for several years and got to be "good buddies" with Richard Branson. Supposedly his lawyer eventually reached a plea deal in which he could return with no jail time.

There is also an extensive history of mistreatment of employees. The company has always stalled negotiations as long as possible, and we were in negotiations for this recent TA for seven years. The only company I know that went longer was Republic, I think their management held out for eight.

Even after reaching a contract, the company fights tooth and nail to readjust the meaning of plain English. My favorite example of this was when we went into arbitration over 50-seat base pay. The company was paying pilots the far lower CRJ-200 rates for sick time, vacation, training, etc. While the contract never specified how that time would be paid, our union reasonably argued that there is only one spare CRJ-200 on property, and our 100+ other aircraft were all in the 76 seat range. It stands to reason we should be paid what nearly every aircraft on property reflects, and what we're normally paid for flying duties.

The story goes that they took a current PHX Captain who hated flying the line and had been part of those negotiations on the union's side, offered him a cushy desk job to say the understanding at the time favored the company's present position, and he did just that. The kicker is after it was all done, they sent him back to the line.

As our seniority list dwindled the last two years amidst stalled negotiations, low pay, and crew mistreatment, there were concerns raised about the caliber of pilot coming to the company. Why would anyone come here when they could make two or three times as much at almost any other regional? It became apparent we were getting the unwanted pilots who couldn't get hired anywhere else. People with DUI's, constant checkride busts, accidents, personality deficiencies, and various other skeletons. Many couldn't hack it at other regionals. There were (are) also the second career types who've just dinked around in Cessnas the last 30 years and want to fly a big boy jet; many of them haven't done the stereotype surrounding them any favors.

These people aren't everyone here, but they do exist, and in numbers far exceeding what most are comfortable with. Now Mesa pilots have a reputation of being low quality, and some legitimately worry about their prospects of getting hired anywhere besides Spirit.

None of this even begins to address the day to day grind of dealing with crew tracking, their attempts to junior assign you, shoddy maintenance, less days off, lower pay, bad hotels, and so much more. But hey, if you're not concerned about any of this, come give Mesa a try!

(Seriously, go through some old threads. The anti-Mesa sentiment is alive and well in threads over a decade old on this website)

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