Old 12-10-2017 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I mean its actually pretty simple... Pilots dont like Mesa and don’t understand why pilots agree to work there considering:

1) Absolutely the worst health insurance in the industry. I looked at my friend’s plan (Mesa CA) and it is truly garbage.

2) Subpar pay and work rules. I know Mesa recently upped some of their compensation but it still doesn’t touch most of the other regionals.

3) It is true that many pilots who fail out of other airline training programs end up at Mesa. 2 of the pilots who failed out of my initial are now Mesa pilots.

4) The schedules are pretty terrible and you do not have any scheduling flexibility. Mesa will continue to try and staff their flying on reduced aircraft manning. As other regionals raise the bar to attract new pilots to their ranks, Mesa will keep trying to operate the aircraft it has with fewer and fewer pilots which means very few days off and an inability to swap trips.

5) There are other regionals with much quicker upgrade and much better career progression that are hiring like gangbusters right now.

6) With Endeavor now offering not only vastly superior compensation and work rules but also a positive space ticket to base if you miss your first flight, the commuting thing is super easy. Not to mention the AA WOs offer their pilots parity with mainline pilots for boarding priority on any AA branded flight.

7) Being a contract carrier and specifically one that puts itself between a, “rock and a hard place” when it comes to being able to attract pilots and stay profitable Mesa is more at risk than other regionals for losing its flying over the next few years.

8) There are statistics published about what legacy airlines the regional airlines lose pilots to. Mesa doesn’t send nearly as many pilots to mainline legacy carriers as other regional airlines.


1) Absolutely the worst health insurance in the industry. I looked at my friend’s plan (Mesa CA) and it is truly garbage.

Health insurance for 2018 has definitely gone up-it's not just Mesa. I had an awesome rate & coverage thru another company for 2016 & 2017 but will not for 2018.

3) It is true that many pilots who fail out of other airline training programs end up at Mesa. 2 of the pilots who failed out of my initial are now Mesa pilots.

I can think of this type of pilot at EVERY regional, not just Mesa. Even PSA has them. No one is perfect- pilots can have check ride failures or some kind of training issue, now even more so because a lot of the incoming pilots do not have experience beyond being a CFI. I think you will see training issues continue especially if the FAA allows the hours required to drop even lower.

8) There are statistics published about what legacy airlines the regional airlines lose pilots to. Mesa doesn’t send nearly as many pilots to mainline legacy carriers as other regional airlines.

I see Mesa as a "starter regional" and I'm sure others do too. A lot of F/Os get experience they need, then make a lateral move to a better regional such as Endeavor. The pay is not there to stay long enough to be a Captain, but some people will stay anyway for their own personal reasons.
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