Originally Posted by
Southerner
The only thing that I disagree with there is the concept that by organizing you get market rate. Unions (by definition) create a false marketplace. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because our rates would be far less if it weren't for unions creating the false marketplace. In this case you aren't getting "market rate." You're demanding a rate above market, and denying the company the ability to go to the wider market to shop around.
The RLA does provide us some protections too. If we weren't covered under it, we wouldn't be able to organize in "right to work" states, and also agency shop would be illegal in many states. Guaranteed, it would be more difficult to organize, and the company could bust a union more easily. That being said, there's room for improvement in the RLA.
Before you guys flame me, this is purely an academic discussion about what he says about market rate, and in no way is it a commentary on our current situation at this company.
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Southerner...you want to talk about a false marketplace, let’s have a discussion about how you would start over at the bottom if you went to delta. We have a HUGE financial/QOL incentive to stay at a substandard airline that isn’t the best, or even close to being the best, because of the seniority/longevity reset we incur, which doesn’t happen in ANY other profession. In a system as screwed up as ours, where skill, judgment, intellect, and experience matters not (except maybe to get a job, but even then that’s debatable based on some of the idiots we, and others, hire), and seniority rules everything but doesn’t transfer, along with many other pitfalls of the RLA,
management actually has the false marketplace at its fingertips, where they can suppress wages far below “market rate” for their most skilled/trained/expensive labor group knowing that *hope* is a strong emotion, and people can not afford to leave a relatively crappy company for a better one at the expense of their seniority.
Management exploits people like you who don’t support the union that tries to even the playing field and overcome probably the most lopsided labor market in the country. Fortunately we have more and more strong willed pilots who know their worth who are countering you and your lanyardless ilk. Why do you think every pilot group is unionized? Why do you think jetblue management, along with every other airline management, spends millions each year on union busting? Because unions are the only means we have to overcome the unfair advantage management has. But keep spewing your nonsense about how the union creates a “false marketplace” for us. Robin thanks you and is proud of you and your juicer ilk for making his job easier to underpay pilots. While he has record profits on the highest margin in the industry, he continues to pay you 30-50% lower than your peers. FUPM.