Originally Posted by
ExiT
I think the DFWLEC guy got it right.
I will probably vote Yes
I wanted to believe Juri when he said this place would be "the next Southwest", but unfortunately that's just not gonna happen. This isn't a legacy level contract because Spirit isn't a top tier carrier, however bad we may want it to be. This isn't a secret. The mediator, our management, other pilots, our passengers, and even our friends and family all know this. That's no reflection on us as individuals or pilots, but the reality of this company's position in the airline industry. Are we really that surprised that we didn't get a cut and paste of Delta's contract?
I understand the argument that we fly the same aircraft on the same routes and we tried that line, unfortunately no one cared.
Section 25 is terrible.
No reserve drops is a serious loss as well.
However, my biggest priorities in this negotiation were improved scope, reasonable ltd, compensation, and dc retirement. None of this stuff is industry leading, but it's all in this deal.
We can drag this out and keep trying to convince everyone we are United, or take a nice raise now along with improved benefits and move on. If we vote no, I don't see us getting back the monetary difference no matter how long a new offer takes.
If this passes, yes we are going to take a beating during irops but we will be making good money at the same time. At the end of the day I work here for pay, not for the great overnights. And no matter how good a contract we get, not all the Delta pilots are going to nod at you in the hallway.
I will vote what is best for my family, and will respect everyone else whatever they decide.
We already take a beating during irops. Ask those guys stuck for 5/6 days at the hotel when Harvey hit. I love waiting 3/4 even 5 hours for hotel connections to get me a room without Pay! What did y’all think we’d get? Our amazing work rules with United plus 1 pay?
Reserve drops? Really? Reserve drops are the sole reason the red green system gets effed and turns red and stops normal line holders from being able to drop. Sorry that hurts the guys that manipulate the system to credit their 140 hours months...!
Rescheduling- So after they exhaust the reserves, and the X/Y list you might get rescheduled with pay? That may happen once or twice a year!!
Yeah it sucks we didn’t get min day, 16%DC right off the bat, SWA scope, redeye overrides, and making every intl city intl override Pay... We have been playing high school ball against guys in the MLB. This TA brings us up to the minors, while earning a respectable income and retirement. If you don’t like it, then move up to the majors. The NC tried the Hail Mary and the bs NMB intercepted and caused the NC to come up a tad short. Take a deep breath, relax and make yourself a pros/cons list. Then vote based on what’s important to you.