Originally Posted by dracir1

Do you really think for one minute that all that’s left to negotiate is pay rates and a few other small items and that NOTHING else can be re-looked into? Really. Vacation is done never to be discussed again regardless of how the pay rate discussion goes?

Honestly, even if you were right, that really doesn’t matter because there is ZERO guarantee that the first AIP that gets sent to a vote will become a TA. Your attitude, if you really are an F9 pilot, is the exact reason I continue to post what I do. Your behavior is defeatist. It’s hopeless. It’s acting scared - like you’d rather settle for some mediocre sh!t then really fight for what you deserve. Youve already decided what the vacation rules will be simply because that was told to you midway through a negotiation.

NCs do NOT make contracts. WE, the pilot FORCE, do. We vote contracts into place. We decide what is good for us. That’s you and I and the other pilots employed by F9. If the first attempt at a contract isn’t good enough, then WE send the NC back for another round.

So I have no idea if you’re a troll or not. But to accept something that you find substandard just because it’s a slight improvement . . . Another word comes to mind for that. Truthfully, I hope this IS a troll post and really not coming from one of my brethren...

BTW, ask some other airlines how much the pilot share is for medical insurance. I never said the company should pay 100% but it should never be this high (and that doesn’t even include the ridiculous family/spouse surcharges).

Originally Posted by SFA320

Pay for what you need. Cut the surcharge and then you socialize the costs of the policy equally to all enrollees. It’s not just a fee that “goes away” because dracir doesn’t like it. Those with kids and a working spouse pay more because they use more of the policy benefits. Get rid of the surcharge, then those without the additional needs help fund those that use more. It’s very simple, but I have a suspicion that you’d be very unhappy paying more every month for your so called brethren just to see the surcharge go away, unless of course you’re one of the guys that has a slew of kids. In that case I’d bet that you’d love to see your brethren pay more to support your family and your life choices.”


I was for the most part agreeing with you until the insurance portion of your rant. I have my “slew” of a whole 2 kids, 3rd is now on the way. So I guess that will make it an enormous multitude of kids. I will have to pay the surcharge in about 7.5 months. Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me. Last I checked the guy paying for a family insurance plan is already “penalized” by paying more than 3x than the single guy is paying. Then you pay the surcharge to make it around 4x the amount. I mean come on, name one other company, airline or not that you personally know that does this. My friends that are pilots and non pilots look at me in utter disbelief when I explain to them the surcharge at F9. Here’s a brillant idea, no surcharges and the company pays all but 20-30% of the premium like almost every other airline that is out there. Earth shattering.