Originally Posted by
PilotDude72
So much saltiness, it's almost as if you enjoy it that way...
Anywho, I'm just a lowly RTP guy looking for some useful information on this website. After sifting through a big heaping pile of pilot BS for something of value to no avail, I decided to start this thread to see if anyone could quantify why they thought this flow deal was such a bust. Still waiting on that...
But hey man, thanks for bringing your opinion. I feel a lot more informed already.
Flow is definitely not a bust, but definitely not the rainbow and unicorns that the recruiting department would want you to believe- at least not for the guys hired today. The guys that got hired between 2015 and 2106 that will actually see a 5ish year flow, those guys hit the lottery. But for a guy hired today, the flow is a nice insurance policy and something that will keep attrition going off the top.
Originally Posted by
Whiskey4
I think you’re forgetting one major advantage the flow provides Envoy pilots over other regionals...
Flow is the best attrition generator that any pilot could ever hope for. The best type of attrition is that happening at the very top. That is because everyone below the people leaving benefits.
This fact is, of course, the reason why every pilot’s spoken (or unspoken...if you have manners) first thought about hearing some career ending event happen to another pilot is not, “How is his family” or “Is he going to be okay?”, but rather “What is his seniority number?” Everyone wants to know if they are going to move up in seniority based QOL! It’s a natural reaction.
Anyways, flow at Envoy currently provides every pilot on property a fairly consistent 25 numbers of increased seniority status while on property. Even people not planning to flow gained 263 seniority spots without even factoring in outside attrition...which was a large gain for the very junior (an additional 100-150 seniority numbers), and a minimal extra gain for the senior.
I think people forget that many other regional pilots can only rely on random attrition from all over the seniority list. Envoy pilots look forward to steady, positive gains in seniority their entire time on the list...even if they elect not to flow. In my opinion, that is a serious benefit of flow even if you think the time to flow is unacceptable for your career goals.
I know that I have personally benefitted from 263 people leaving the top of the list this year. My bidding position in my status has improved dramatically, OT pickup for good turns is getting easier, etc. Those are tangible benefits that work for my family.
Now, if we can get pay increases and/or some positive workrule changes to pair with that...I’m all in!!
Very valid point.