Yes, and the answer was "we will get close but we will never be able to match Delta precisely". The metric if I remember correctly was we pay something like $22 per passenger for passengers in Newark, and if I recall the cost for DAL in Atlanta is $2 per passenger and there are even bases (I forget which) where DAL gets paid $1 per passenger - maybe Detroit? . . . I forget. Point was we absolutely can compete and make money in our hubs, but DAL will always be more profitable because they have a couple hubs that are vastly less expensive.