This thread went dark quick. . I see lots of deflection and think it's important to stay focused on the issues.

Like, how bad is the rest of it if this is what is being offered? Judging just from a few responses here about "pilots would be a no vote on rates like this", I think you guys should be asking what was the rush to accept a sloppy seconds offer? And now, these rates for up to a 777 sized plane?