Originally Posted by Av8r75

The FARs state that no one may act as a PIC or SIC in a part 121 operation without an ATP...period. There is your FAR, no need to quote the actual FAR...look it up yourself.

Ya don’t say. You also have to have a type rating to fly a jet or a/c over 12500 lbs. Bet ya didn’t know that, did ya?

Since the FAA passed this new regulation, 121 carriers had to increase there hiring mins to ATP. the airlines technically can't hire you until you meet the requirements to obtain your ATP.

You’re dead wrong. An airline can hire anyone they want. It’s their prerogative how much training they provide or don’t provide to an applicant to get them qualified to work in a 121 flight deck. Hence ab-initio you mentioned. I was an employee on the payroll when I did my ATP-CTP.

It would be different if the airline sent you a 1099 for your type training, since that training is required by the airline on their equipment in order to operate.

An ATP-CTP course is also required. What’s the difference?

Could the airlines do all of this in house, possibly and who knows, maybe US airlines will in the future, but that is not the case right now. Due to union contracts and other issues, it is also very difficult to implement an in house ATP-CTP program that would be fair for everyone.

Please elaborate on said contracts and “other issues.”