Originally Posted by
bnkangle
I’m not debating nor do I much care about the merits of taxing an employee for a CTP class, but your misinformed idea that an airline can’t consider someone en employee untill they take the ATP written is flat out wrong.
I said I was done with this petty crap, but if you want to throw around insults, let me set the record straight and maybe clarify here real quick...
Type Ratings are different...while the FAR's do require type training above 12,500 (Been in aviation for a long time, but thanks for the TIP!!), this type of training is operator specific and a cost of doing business. You can't get a commercial pilot position without a commercial license and don't expect any US airline or 135 operator to pay for your commercial anytime soon. The ATP is also now an FAA requirement and yes airlines are providing plenty of assistance to pilots in order to get the pipeline filled up qualified folks. The difference is that the ATP is an experience requirement, not just equipment knowledge which is based on a specific operators needs.
I never said that airlines can't hire you, but they can't put you on the line until you meet those requirements. I think you knew what I meant!! By the way,
it is not their prerogative how much or how little training they give..it is regulated by the FAA. All airline training programs are evaluated and regulated by the FAA.
What is their prerogative is what they will pay for and what they will not. Thats the real discussion here...you think its crap that they don't just pay for everything taxes included, so you can go work for them. Give me a break! You ever own or run a business? Well I have and it costs a lot of money to hire, train and develop employees. I have also worked for a regional airline 10 years ago when the pay was crap, you had no QOL, no flow, horrible work rules and maybe upgrade in 7-10 years.
So to be honest with you, I could care less about paying a little tax on training that I didn't have to pay for in full, not to mention cost of lodging, etc..
People always want more the more you give away. It never ceases to amaze me. Here is another tip to you and everyone else who thinks this is a legitimate gripe...if you think you can do it better, pony up the money and some investors, start your own airline and show everyone how its done! If not, then stop griping, enjoy your career as a pilot...enjoy the journey or do something else.
RANT OVER -