Originally Posted by
flynavyj
well jed,
as it was explained to me by several of the IOE checkairmen, the problem is in liability. When it has traditionally taken a candidate 25-30 hrs to complete IOE and be found "competent" in the airplane (especially during the over-abundant times of qualified pilots...aka, if you can't do it, someone else out there can) it doesn't look good, or feel comfortable to have a candidate take double, or triple the amount of time to complete the SAME training. When said "new guy" is constantly having the controls taken from him/her by the captain, or when the captain is incapacitated and this "new guy" puts the plane half a mile short of the runway, off the edge in the gusty crosswinds, or off the other end during the snowstorm, the feds are gonna come looking back to who was the last checkairman to fly with and sign this guy off as "good to go" for line flying, and congrats, you've got yourself a liability issue @ hand.
Just a convenient jumping in point:
On the flip side, our FOM limits what F/O's are allowed to fly when released to the line and the F/O has less than 100 hours in the aircraft at our company. For example, the Captain (if not an OE or LCA) must make all take off's and landings if crosswind >15 knts, vis less than 3/4 mile, RVR < 4000, braking action less than "good", yada, yada, yada, follows with any condition CPT deems necessary to take the aircraft. Even after the 100 hour consolidation, when one or more of the conditions listed are present the "Captain will normally continue to perform the takeoff, approach, and landing" unless, the CPT "after careful evaluation of existing conditions, the CPT's knowledge of the F/O's experience and capabilities, potential complications..." determines the F/O can make the T/O, approach and landing.
Seems they are not thrown into the briarpatch, and are mentored into the job (and we are talking extraordinarily experienced F/O's who were Captains with, often, many thousands of hours of command experience.(like many here on this board) So I would consider the regional 121's thinking that they need to mentor the development of professional aircrews, especially ones F/O's taken so early in experience. Every Captain in every cockpit should be doing the same. I am all for washing out incompetence, but our profession is more like a medical doctor, and these new F/O's should be treated as 'in residence'.
Originally Posted by
SAABaroowski
yeah it is, after training you should be done with no more than 25-30hrs..........................
So Saab, what does your FOM say? <g>